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Post by Daddy Goat on Oct 30, 2020 16:40:17 GMT
Hi Goats, regarding scores at this level shows me this game is far easier than the 19 version by a mile on these levels, obviously cannot speak for Legend but having a bit practice at Legend doesn't seem much different to Master level, might be worth considering playing at Legend level i still think the game will be far to easy for some at that level too.
This game was supposed to be more realistic to golf yet i find it further away than they had it at 19, in real golf ive never known the back swing not to matter, or be able to hit ball consistently 350 yds off the tee, other things ive noticed are clubs go a lot further than advertised. It is my opinion this game is a mile away from any reality to golf and is not an improvement on the 19 version at all. Thy have a lot of work to improve this game.
Rant over
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Post by Charles56 on Nov 1, 2020 16:17:14 GMT
Hi Goats, regarding scores at this level shows me this game is far easier than the 19 version by a mile on these levels, obviously cannot speak for Legend but having a bit practice at Legend doesn't seem much different to Master level, might be worth considering playing at Legend level i still think the game will be far to easy for some at that level too. This game was supposed to be more realistic to golf yet i find it further away than they had it at 19, in real golf ive never known the back swing not to matter, or be able to hit ball consistently 350 yds off the tee, other things ive noticed are clubs go a lot further than advertised. It is my opinion this game is a mile away from any reality to golf and is not an improvement on the 19 version at all. Thy have a lot of work to improve this game. Rant over Well, i don't agree Les.  I do think 2K21 is superior to TGC19. I do think it was a good move to take the back swing out of the mechanics, as in real golf a back swing has little to do with clubhead speed and the downswing action. Some backswings are short, some long. Ofcourse its important, but not in that sense. In game club distances are indeed not accurate and i've always been suspicious of these numbers. That goes for TGC19, PG and other games. They are averages and not to be trusted. So that's why i have always double checked the carry distances on de range (not from the tee's but ON the range, from the grass) and have these numbers in a little chart. And that goes for all shot types. The fact that we can customize our set is another great feature of 2K21. All in all, i find it very well done.
Playing Master level is for me (as a mouse player) a very realistic experience and it reflects much of the real game to me. I just started dabbling on Legend level and (for me) that is a truly impressive and very difficult level. mainly due to the short game on/around the green because on different cam views and lack of grids. Sweet spot is even smaller too and having no forward cam makes it all very realistic. All in all, i think 2K21 is the best out there. Players playing 10+ under par every round does not bother me too much. If needed -for a level playing field in tournaments-, realistic handicapping can be put in again? That has worked great in TGC19 afterall.
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Post by simchars1968 on Nov 1, 2020 22:04:10 GMT
Hi Goats, regarding scores at this level shows me this game is far easier than the 19 version by a mile on these levels, obviously cannot speak for Legend but having a bit practice at Legend doesn't seem much different to Master level, might be worth considering playing at Legend level i still think the game will be far to easy for some at that level too. This game was supposed to be more realistic to golf yet i find it further away than they had it at 19, in real golf ive never known the back swing not to matter, or be able to hit ball consistently 350 yds off the tee, other things ive noticed are clubs go a lot further than advertised. It is my opinion this game is a mile away from any reality to golf and is not an improvement on the 19 version at all. Thy have a lot of work to improve this game. Rant over You been in the 19th too long Les? |
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Post by Daddy Goat on Nov 2, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Hi Goats, regarding scores at this level shows me this game is far easier than the 19 version by a mile on these levels, obviously cannot speak for Legend but having a bit practice at Legend doesn't seem much different to Master level, might be worth considering playing at Legend level i still think the game will be far to easy for some at that level too. This game was supposed to be more realistic to golf yet i find it further away than they had it at 19, in real golf ive never known the back swing not to matter, or be able to hit ball consistently 350 yds off the tee, other things ive noticed are clubs go a lot further than advertised. It is my opinion this game is a mile away from any reality to golf and is not an improvement on the 19 version at all. Thy have a lot of work to improve this game. Rant over You been in the 19th too long Les? Not at all Simon, being a life long golf player and at a decent standard i find this game unrealistic in the ways i posted earlier. For anyone to say the backswing isn't important and has nothing to do with club head speed etc is beyond me, if you have no backswing how do you generate club head speed in the first place? The back swing is the start of the procedure to hit the ball you get that wrong then you are struggling with the rest of the swing and to get the clubhead to hit the ball correctly, to take that out of the game is just unrealistic. This is my opinion of course of the game in its current guise. |
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Post by simchars1968 on Nov 2, 2020 13:42:26 GMT
No need to explain the ins and outs of a golf swing been a single figure handicapper myself.
The beauty of using the mouse is you make your own tempo, very cleverly done it is to. I think the granularity they have built into the short game and putting is very good too. All facets of the game are better in this version without a doubt. Can't really believe you think TGC2019 is better, whenever I played a round with you you spent the whole round complaining about tempo problems, is that suddenly fixed now?
If you want a proper challenge play USE or TST in the new version, that is the closest I have seen to 'simming' the real game.
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Post by Daddy Goat on Nov 2, 2020 19:30:24 GMT
No need to explain the ins and outs of a golf swing been a single figure handicapper myself. The beauty of using the mouse is you make your own tempo, very cleverly done it is to. I think the granularity they have built into the short game and putting is very good too. All facets of the game are better in this version without a doubt. Can't really believe you think TGC2019 is better, whenever I played a round with you you spent the whole round complaining about tempo problems, is that suddenly fixed now? If you want a proper challenge play USE or TST in the new version, that is the closest I have seen to 'simming' the real game. Simon, i did state this was my opinion of the game and how i see it being an ex scratch golfer and still playing off single figures today, not that ,that matters, as soon as they took the back swing out of the mechanics, the game became unrealistic to me, yes its a decent game but not realistic, even the scoring is unrealistic. We will never agree as we see the game differently so we will leave it there. |
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Post by simchars1968 on Nov 2, 2020 19:47:26 GMT
The scoring between the games is no different, there will always be players who score super low by fair means or foul, that has been argued to death.
You started a post stating some things which just aren't true. Regular 350yd drives for a start, the only time I have seen that myself is from an elevated tee with wind behind, this seem pretty plausible to me. You say the clubs all hit further, that is because the stated distance is a carry distance, not including rollout. On the lower levels you may be able to 'overhit' straight and get more distance, but you won't get away with that on the top two levels. I don't know how you can say 2K21 is easier at the high levels, you have played all 4 rounds in the Master tour once scoring +17, I'll say no more.
I actually reinstalled TGC2019 today and I was going to play in the next couple of events, but I just can't go back to it on so many levels.
I will leave it there, I just think it was a pointless and unnecessary post in the first place.
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Post by Daddy Goat on Nov 2, 2020 21:58:42 GMT
Yes we will leave it there but just for info i wasn't saying things that aren't true, thats how i saw it, i never seen a -73 pro or - 65 master for 4 rounds on 19, and regarding Drives i have a driver which regularly hits 344 plus yards in my bag. Last round i played on master i had 9 birdies and never once had a perfect strike in the round and i ve hardly played the game The scores your referring to were in a earlier event week 3 i think, although i dont know why you had to mention my scores at all. Regarding the post am i not entitled to post my opinion regardless of how pointless you think it is?
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Post by simchars1968 on Nov 2, 2020 22:46:43 GMT
If you are playing Master level you hardly ever get 'perfect' on shots, that is the point of the highest levels, and a big difference in this game and I think for the better because it brings in a bit of granularity(as I said previously that's the case on all facets, again another improvement from TGC2019).
The scores you refer to last week are because in my tour I set it up very easy with little wind and the course was extremely short. First two rounds I played it off the front tees and nearly every par 4 and 5 where reachable in 1/2 shots respectively. If I had played through the course before-hand I would have spiced the difficulty up, but I haven't got time to do that unfortunately.
If that is your opinion of it, so be it, and you are entitled to it. I am just putting forward my opinion, having played at the highest levels from the start.
Each to their own.
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Post by Charles56 on Nov 4, 2020 14:44:36 GMT
I'm not going to take the bait on the back swing issue fellas...   I think you are both doing a great job setting all this up. But.. i DO think you should join the fun in the Master tournament Les!! |
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I do think 2K21 is superior to TGC19. I do think it was a good move to take the back swing out of the mechanics, as in real golf a back swing has little to do with clubhead speed and the downswing action. Some backswings are short, some long. Ofcourse its important, but not in that sense. In game club distances are indeed not accurate and i've always been suspicious of these numbers. That goes for TGC19, PG and other games. They are averages and not to be trusted. So that's why i have always double checked the carry distances on de range (not from the tee's but ON the range, from the grass) and have these numbers in a little chart. And that goes for all shot types. The fact that we can customize our set is another great feature of 2K21. All in all, i find it very well done. 
I think you are both doing a great job setting all this up. But.. i DO think you should join the fun in the Master tournament Les!!